I dunno... with LFS, will the children carry on the development after Scawen and Company get too old to code?
Will I be able to transfer my license to descendants as part of my estate when I kick off? Will people even be using cars once LFS is finished?
Will someone reading this be gullible enough to take this rant serious?

I'm not all that bent outta shape about the game's progress.
There are so many other titles that have come and gone since 2003.
At least this one is still here. And people show up on the forums to whine about the progress. The fact that it's still maintained and serviced AND being developed should mean something.
I also realized something a few years back. We're not playing somebody's game. We're playing somebody's dream. The pros to that is we have a superior game to play. The con is Damn! It sure does take a long time to get developed. But what do you want? Bologna? Or Pastrami? It takes a while to make good pastrami.... Maybe not 15+ years, but still.
Oh and about Pastrami. If you make your own, try not to use the whole brisket - unless you REALLY like pastrami.

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This,,

That's Priceless.

Wow.... Granny can belt it out, huh?
What's the guy on?

Quote from Big Daddy :

I know you can call me a Greenpeace freak.

I red this year that baby male chickens get killed millionwise per year because they are unproductive.

Todays chickens are modified to put eggs daily. Natural chickens put eggs every fifth day.

If you want please take care in the future:
https://www.uaex.edu/farm-ranch/animals-forages/poultry/chicks.jpg

https://globalfoodpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/batthens09_300_1.jpg

"I red this year that baby male chickens get killed millionwise per year because they are unproductive"

We wouldn't have the climate problem or reality TV if we did that with people!

I dedicate this one to the makers of fentanyl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e04OBJzbvc

Being a Gen Xer I had it sooo easy. Millennials have it oh so hard.
My kids are millennials. They tell me this a lot. Almost all the time.
Especially the ones that still live here. Oh well. Live in grandkids.
Can't beat that.Sometimes the way they complain about how they have things
makes me laugh.
Well I found something that might just set them off this year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA4nUDb3uo4

Hmmm....
NOTE: For comparison shots, Aston has been raised by 2 metres so 131072 must be subtracted from the Z coordinate

This 2 meters. Is this at one to one scale?

"That said I don't understand why you would make a demo account if you already have a licensed account,"

What about celebrities? I dunno.... Say actor Lawrence Fishburne had an account. And he was afraid of the papparazzi getting access to it or posting the name his account is in so that if he goes on the servers, everyone will bother him about autographs and the Matrix.
I could see him getting demo accounts for those reasons.
Hmmmm.... a topic for off topic......

Quote from Sobis :

I don't think Scawen can update the real life cars. I believe he has the license to recreate only that specific (2008?) Scirocco, that specific RaceAbout and so on.

I think you're right about that. I imagine the contracts make sure to specify certain year models only. And then there's only so much money available and space to model so many cars. What cars do you decide to get the licenses for even if you did have the funding?
I would also think that developers of racing games in general would avoid getting into deals where they HAD to make specific car models whenever they updated their game versions. That could really suck for the developers of the game if the cars they had to model were to become unpopular and the devs are stuck modeling them on the sequel anyways. Or worse, the manufacturers want to market other cars by having them put in the game also as part of the deal. Like "Sure, you can model the 911 turbo, but you have to model the four door also". Who the hell wants to play with the four door? Now the developers don't have enough space for the Ferrari Portafino!
Yeah. I'm under the impression modeling real cars is more of a pain than it's really worth. Leave that stuff up to the modders out there once its all done.
But still just cause the car modeled is electric, it doesn't mean it has to be a model of an actual car.
Especially one that's prone to fire and has a whacky corporate leadership.

I dunno. There's a train track. May as well be a train.

Quote from AtomAnt :

Earliest Caption songs...this is an oldie..has captions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgYuLsudaJQ

I like Steely Dan. I remember hearing this song since I was a little kid. That song still gets airplay around here.

Here's an old one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPnwSFN0ZM

Quote from THE WIZARD DK :

in suggestions i suggested stanoinary helicopters on heli pads... people went like...
why would we need to have helicopters in LFS.

my suggestion was they should just be "there". to get a feel of life on tracks.
perhaps it was because it was me suggesting it. but that suggestion would infact make LFS feel more alive with slow ratating blades on them. i even suggested they could work as the windmills already do.

but i also got impression of Scawen dont fully agree with this as (i think it was scawen who wrote it) this would mean we would get less performance from LFS regarding graphics. so a moving train. i fully agree would be extremely nice to have. but if roter blades on a stanionary helicopter is that hard to implement as i got the impression it is. a moving train would be totally out of the question. however much i do like these ideas.
moving cranes behind buildings far away perhaps. lots of options to make LFS more "alive". as it is now. we got windmills and flags. and trees. and thats it really. nothing else but the car is moving.
(well dust ofc and smoke).
like i also suggested not having aeroplanes in the sky. but just a white stripe coming across at times simulating a flyby by a plane. thinking it in the smallest terms so to speak ,to make it as simple as possible, but still would give an great effect when youre on a track. making it more alive.
in the future. we could have small rabbits jumping out on the track you could hit(by mistake ofc as we love animals) while youre driving. soo many small things could be done , i think very easily to make it all more alive. but if its that hard to make. well. out of options.

Years ago I played this old mod for NASCAR 2003. The guy basically modded his neighborhood and put all sorts of things in it. Oncoming traffic and a freight train were two of those things. Unfortunately the mod was a little glitchy and would lock up more often than not. But it was enough for me to realize that a train in S.City would be a cool challenge. Especially on Classic in the Chicane. I know Fern bay has train tracks in some of their configurations too, but it's more pronounced in S.City.
Seeing I don't know a thing about coding, I can throw out goofy suggestions all the time. Most of any suggestions I make are just that: goofy. They're not really meant to be taken seriously. Except the train idea. I don't know what kind of coding is involved in making a train for South City. I'm not so sure about how it would affect overall game play either. I just thought it would be a cool thing to have as an option.
I'd much rather have something like an illegal street race server with a working train than I would want to have a plain ol Cruise server.
But you're right. Still need to weigh the coolness factor of these game enhancements versus the pain in the butt factor of making any of these enhancements.

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funny little coincidence .

so i was thinking. i just ask him ..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpGoB1CV4AEdgk8.jpg

so i did.
awaiting a answer!


EDIT: why ever LFS forums wont display that pic..

Pressed for time, so I'll have to watch and read the post a little better later.
But Yeah. There's speculation that people's from advanced civilizations all over the planet have been to the Americas before Columbus.
In the 1070's a guy made a Chinese Junk boat and almost did it from Hong Kong. He had worms eating the wood of the boat. I think he attempted it later and managed to make it. They base a lot of these theories on pre-columbian artifacts. From Toltec head sculptures in Guatemala that look Chinese to Eastern Amazon tribes making things that look Phoenician.

Quote from sinanju :

The amount of grip is immaterial really, as the concrete surface grip will be exactly the same for everyone.

And as LFS doesn't simulate the road surface getting more grip as more rubber goes down, no one can gain a time advantage whether they're first to race or 100th.

Makes it fair for everyone

"Makes it fair for everyone"
Lane choice is part of the race. kinda like pole position

Drag strip surfaces vary with the drag strip. And depending how each lane was raced on overall, vary from each other as well. I'd love to see something done with the drag strip on LFS, but the all the physics coding involved for a 3 second race? I can see why it's not a big priority.
But still. A drag strip? You can get the nordi-track and just about any other assorted circles to race on with the other titles all day long. But a drag strip? That would be cool.
I did a half @ssed drawing of a modified UFR and posted it somewhere here a few years ago. It's definitely not something to brag about as much as to point out something I had in mind.
Yeah... A drag strip. Think Victor could come up with some '60s surf music stuff for the background?

So in a nutshell, you're saying Danish folk tend to over complicate things when they talk is the reason for the linguistic skills. Makes sense.
And with the viking heritage, it makes sense that your language would be that complicated. Think about it. You had all these tribes coming together. Eventually forming one super tribe or another. These original tribes had different words for things and different pronunciations too.

I don't think the guy was an albino. I don't think Azrec priests would've handled albinos very well. Besides, the guy had a beard too. I know about viking exploration in pre columbian Americas, But there's no real hard evidence of the vikings coming this far south at all. But common sense makes me think this is highly possible. The way the vikings tended to sail, hugging coastlines, I don't see why they couldn't at least get as far south as the southern US coast.
As far as who this Quetzalcoatl person was? Who knows? The shipwrecked viking makes for a good theory, but it could've been anybody, if anyone at all.

Quote from Sobis :

It seems that many of you missed the point of the post. He does agree with you all that VOB mods that change the hitbox are not good for the community. He specifically said that it would be good to have a hitbox-check software or website where it could check and approve/disapprove mods. With that you wouldn't have the problem of weird collisions because of VOB mods.

I do agree that it's not a priority at all now. I don't think it's a good time to bring this up, Scawen needs to finish with the graphical update and hopefully with the tyre physics as well. After that and after getting the highest priority plans from the "to do" list it would be a good idea to have a discussion about this. Right now it's quite pointless I think.

In the end I do agree with TwinySkyline's idea about the website check. It would let people use their imagination and what's the problem if they have a car that THEY like without affecting anyone else? It's not like they force their car to be rendered on your screen. Saying that VOB modded cars are shit is a very stupid argument. They might be shit to you but who are you to judge other people's taste?

I just got through updating an RTS game called O AD. It's free and open source. One of the things they did with the latest update was have this MOD download section in the game settings. The mods were submitted,
verified for the most part and you could download these mods in game.
After LFS is completed, I wouldn't mind seeing something like that developed for modders.
You could have the mods pre-certified (?) for compatibility and you could download these mods about the same way as you click which server to use.
Now I dunno if that would be practical with those mods where the modders basically redid the whole game.
The website idea would be perfect for those.
But I agree with you, this whole modding mess shouldn't be a development priority at this moment. Or really to us fan-boys either for that matter. Even though I want flaming trash cans instead of tires and 1950's lead sleds, I can wait til the game is finished. Yeah. 1950's lead sleds. Most of the models are from car companies long gone so there shouldn't be any legal issues and they look cool - just drive badly.

https://youtu.be/sdSyDmz_z5E

I don't live all that far from there. About 150 miles maybe. Never been. It's too damned expensive. And I really don't like them promoting Brittany Spears and Bruno Marx Over the actual race. I don't want the 40% increase in the ticket cost going to cover the cost of those two. The track itself? It's an OK track. I guess. I've only seen races on TV. It's not a classic though. LOL Nothing to whine to the devs to model. I have a friend that lives in Austin. Yeah. If you like weird, then go there.

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Nothing against using VOB mods, it's just that they CAN cause a hassle and most people would rather devs working on new graphics/track rather than something like mod support.

Yeah. That.
Besides, all the mods I've seen really wasn't very impressive. More like different car bodies on the same modeled chassis.

South City?
Hmmmm.... how about a working train? Rowdy race fans throwing bottles at the passing cars? and of course, Flaming trash cans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of the things I trip out about y'all Scandinavians is how multi-linguistic y'all are. I was in a bar in.... Belize? Could've been Honduras. I was talking to this dude from Norway. This guy knew six languages.
Oh yeah... Vikings. Have you heard about the Aztec legend of Quetzalcoatl? There's a lot of suspicion that this person was a Viking.
Well his legend didn't start there. Indian tribes along the Louisiana/Texas gulf coast. It describe the same person almost to a "T".
All of the stories from these tribes, save one describe this guy as being a good person. He helped them out and got along real well with the tribes. But one tribe claimed the guy was flat out evil and threatened to throw them all into a fiery pit. Now it's hard to date all of this, but you can see this route that "Quetzalcoatl" took. So I'm wondering if maybe this guy WAS a viking. If so, was he a Christian convert? See he upset the religious authority of the Aztecs with his condemning of human sacrifice. If I'm not mistaken, early vikings were totally cool with human sacrifice. He wasn't known for preaching gospel or any sort of missionary stuff, but a lot of his mannerisms described in these stories sounded like a Christian to me. The Aztecs set him up and got rid of him. Unfortunately, I'm getting a lot of distractions while trying to type this, so I can't remember exactly what they did to him, but his story ended there.
Now if this guy really existed (kinda hard not to think so)I'm thinking he was a Viking probably shortly after Greenland was discovered.
All of the tribes described him as a bearded white dude with blue eyes.
But no description of any weapons that vikings were known to have. A shipwreck survivor maybe?

LOL

Quote from THE WIZARD DK :

in that same park i also tickled 2 bears under the paws..
they make a very funny sound when you do that.

i strongly recommend other to NOT DO THAT !

its not a animal to play around with. neither is the Lynx.

but i gues youre fast enough UM21

i think the bear and lynx is the most dangerous animals in sweden. perhaps also to mention the common moose(elk). had one on my tail once.. you dont want that..just trust me

ROFL my wife and I say something like that about a park around here, only it's about alligators.
Alligators are nowhere near as aggressive as crocodiles are. I think that they are smarter though. A lot smarter. But the problem is complacency. You can sit around a wild alligator for years and it never do a thing, then one day it just bites you.
Lynxes.... They're about the size of a bob cat, right? Not as big as a lion, or even a cheetah, but a whole lot bigger than your average house cat?

Quote from UnknownMaster21 :

What do you expect? Lynx is a beast after all!

EDIT: Well, of course, some people would not know in first place, especially if they come from very, very far and sees first time this animal.

How many videos are out there about some Darwin contestant getting out of a car in the middle of a lion safari?

Where I live we have bobcats, if you're lucky you might see an ocelot and maybe just maybe jaguars. None have been officially seen since around 1900, but you still hear stories here and there of one being spotted. Bobcats are all over the place though. Our big land predators are alligators, coyotes and wolves. but the nastiest animal we have isn't a predator at all. It's feral hogs.
There's a program to reintroduce black bears like what they're doing with wolves, but no bears in Texas just yet. Deer season for archery started today. Personally don't care for hunting deer, I don't like deer meat and for what it costs to go hunting, even if you own the land, you can get some really nice steaks that'll last longer for less money. And a bone-in rib eye beats back strap any day. But then again, you hang up a deer head to represent the food you got, that's cool. You hang up an old meat package to represent the same thing? Yeah. People'll look at you funny.
I prefer fishing - salt water.
You know where I run into a lot of people from Scandinavian countries at? Central America. Yeah. Central America. Go figure. Is it the food? The coffee? Mayan ruins? LOL The lack of bears?

In all honesty, I'm not seriously demanding electric cars as I'm simply proposing to the devs that when they do ever focus on making new cars, instead of trying so much for real models to just making some up with alternate sources of power. But.... If they did and went electric, I was thinking of something along the lines of a Tesla for the road cars. Only with out the tendency to catch fire. I hadn't realized there is something in the open wheel categories too.